I don't think it matters that much by how much Clinton wins. The Senate is much more worrying. I'm sceptical that the Dems can take it back.SR wrote:A sparse Clinton win is a loss, but not catastrophic....maybe
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Thank god this is finally over.
Who would have thought we had this much of an appetite for a professed tyrant.
It will be interesting to see how many battleground states Hillary picks up, I hope a ton.
I guess we get a reprieve until the impeachment hearings begin in January?
Who would have thought we had this much of an appetite for a professed tyrant.
It will be interesting to see how many battleground states Hillary picks up, I hope a ton.
I guess we get a reprieve until the impeachment hearings begin in January?
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Although I expect the balance to tilt the other way as the evening progresses, I'm floored that Trump is doing as well as he is so far and is actually substantially ahead right now. One of the talking heads on MSNBC is having a conniption fit how close it is in Florida right now.
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I'm rather surprised with how well the Cheeto is doing too.
My mom bet me $5 that Trump will win. In her accent, similar to Melania Trump's, she said, "Cleen-ton da voorst"
My mom bet me $5 that Trump will win. In her accent, similar to Melania Trump's, she said, "Cleen-ton da voorst"
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Well...very long way to go..but the silver lining is if trump pulls off the upset at least he will have a chance to do things since he will have the house too
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silver liningkv wrote:Well...very long way to go..but the silver lining is if trump pulls off the upset at least he will have a chance to do things since he will have the house too
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Okay, cancel my last statement there.....peruse my 20 million posts in the other orangutan thread if you must.... I had a strong feeling it was going to come to this. We are going all out third-world tyrant.....who would have thought a year or two ago.mockbee wrote:Thank god this is finally over.
Who would have thought we had this much of an appetite for a professed tyrant.
It will be interesting to see how many battleground states Hillary picks up, I hope a ton.
I guess we get a reprieve until the impeachment hearings begin in January?
Democrat party will implode, my next prediction......
And kv is/was full of crap...
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I was blinded by living in a progressive state....shocked thought it would be over for Clinton already
But I respect the process...the people are allowed their choice...I just am lossing a tremendous amount of respect for American voters...wtf guy is a racist...how the fuck do you vote for him? Old guard's last gasp smfh
45+ is all trump....I hate I am in that demographic
But I respect the process...the people are allowed their choice...I just am lossing a tremendous amount of respect for American voters...wtf guy is a racist...how the fuck do you vote for him? Old guard's last gasp smfh
45+ is all trump....I hate I am in that demographic
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i think we all know where the blame should go
all we can do is hope for the best
all we can do is hope for the best
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Worded poorly...4 stagnant years won't do us much good imho regardless of who winscreep wrote:silver liningkv wrote:Well...very long way to go..but the silver lining is if trump pulls off the upset at least he will have a chance to do things since he will have the house too
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The polls were so offkv wrote:Yes, it is one of the "battleground" states both are fighting for...Clinton needs a state or two of these according to polls...trump needs most of them to win..so Clinton winning just 1 or 2 seals it for her...so the whole race is those states...some states like California have been Democrat by a large percentage for decades now.
Florida has huge electoral votes...if trump can't win it this election will be over in a hurry (it will be imho)
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Ya she had the west needed florida
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I am not a fan of Neil Gabler, but he makes some interesting points regarding democracy, extremism, and journalism in one of his recent pieces. Below is an excerpt:
http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-am ... OZ.twitter
If there is a single sentence that characterizes the election, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That may be what is so terrifying. Who knew that so many tens of millions of white Americans were thinking unconscionable things about their fellow Americans? Who knew that tens of millions of white men felt so emasculated by women and challenged by minorities? Who knew that after years of seeming progress on race and gender, tens of millions of white Americans lived in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to arrive who would legitimize their worst selves and channel them into political power? Perhaps we had been living in a fool’s paradise. Now we aren’t.
This country has survived a civil war, two world wars, and a great depression. There are many who say we will survive this, too. Maybe we will, but we won’t survive unscathed. We know too much about each other to heal. No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things. Nor can we pretend that democracy works and that elections have more or less happy endings. Democracy only functions when its participants abide by certain conventions, certain codes of conduct and a respect for the process.
No more can we pretend that we are exceptional or good or progressive or united. We are none of those things.
The virus that kills democracy is extremism because extremism disables those codes. Republicans have disrespected the process for decades. They have regarded any Democratic president as illegitimate. They have proudly boasted of preventing popularly elected Democrats from effecting policy and have asserted that only Republicans have the right to determine the nation’s course. They have worked tirelessly to make sure that the government cannot govern and to redefine the purpose of government as prevention rather than effectuation. In short, they haven’t believed in democracy for a long time, and the media never called them out on it.
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Was interesting that one of the few big polls to predict a tight race was the la times usc poll...they polled a batch of people at various times, the same people, over and over and you can see how they trended to trump everytime the emails came up...or the last gasp fbi remarks....people really changed their minds from Clinton to trump...
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I think several things contributed to people changing their minds at the last minute:
(1) The FBI reopening the investigation, as well as the following things connected to it: (a) Comey's letter to Congress, (b)the emails on Weiner's computer, and (c)Clinton's maid having access to the emails and faxing them. And (2) the increases in the ACA insurance premiums. All of these things occurred within about two weeks of the election.
In addition, the media coverage of Clinton and Trump was not handled in the same manner. Charlie Cook discussed this last night on CSPAN. Trump received a lot of free air time when the media choose to cover his speeches/events in their entirety. During previous campaigns, candidates' speeches were not as readily available with the same frequency let alone in their entirety. While the media frequently aired Trump's speeches entirety, this was not the case with Clinton.
One thing I could not wrap my head around was why Clinton's "scandals" seem to stick, whereas with Trump's scandals many people were more willing to move on. Again - the media had some influence. Although there was some analysis (and I use the word "analysis" loosely) of Trump, the media didn't focus much/attention on Trump's accomplishments/failures. They treated him as circus entertainment for ratings by simply letting him speak for himself (most of the time). Whereas with Clinton, there was never ending analysis/speculation on Clinton's messes and what Trump had to say about it and his next move. Most of the time Trump was not treated seriously as a candidate; therefore, he much of what he said went unchallenged when he was interviewed. What the media did do was emphasize that Trump supporters were hair-brained hillbillies. Well if you have a large section of the population that is not only uninformed but also feels marginalized, they will resent the way they are presented by the talking heads. You have to remember that everyone does not have the same amount of time to devote to watching/reading the news. I'm am not making excuses for being uninformed or for not understanding how the US government works. What I realize is that if you have a limited amount of time to devote to reading/watching the news, your sources are important. Consider local news and its presentation as determined by the social norms of a particular geographic location and its homogeneous/heterogeneous makeup.
Having said all of that, I think most Trump supporters are uninformed, blissfully ignorant deplorables.
(1) The FBI reopening the investigation, as well as the following things connected to it: (a) Comey's letter to Congress, (b)the emails on Weiner's computer, and (c)Clinton's maid having access to the emails and faxing them. And (2) the increases in the ACA insurance premiums. All of these things occurred within about two weeks of the election.
In addition, the media coverage of Clinton and Trump was not handled in the same manner. Charlie Cook discussed this last night on CSPAN. Trump received a lot of free air time when the media choose to cover his speeches/events in their entirety. During previous campaigns, candidates' speeches were not as readily available with the same frequency let alone in their entirety. While the media frequently aired Trump's speeches entirety, this was not the case with Clinton.
One thing I could not wrap my head around was why Clinton's "scandals" seem to stick, whereas with Trump's scandals many people were more willing to move on. Again - the media had some influence. Although there was some analysis (and I use the word "analysis" loosely) of Trump, the media didn't focus much/attention on Trump's accomplishments/failures. They treated him as circus entertainment for ratings by simply letting him speak for himself (most of the time). Whereas with Clinton, there was never ending analysis/speculation on Clinton's messes and what Trump had to say about it and his next move. Most of the time Trump was not treated seriously as a candidate; therefore, he much of what he said went unchallenged when he was interviewed. What the media did do was emphasize that Trump supporters were hair-brained hillbillies. Well if you have a large section of the population that is not only uninformed but also feels marginalized, they will resent the way they are presented by the talking heads. You have to remember that everyone does not have the same amount of time to devote to watching/reading the news. I'm am not making excuses for being uninformed or for not understanding how the US government works. What I realize is that if you have a limited amount of time to devote to reading/watching the news, your sources are important. Consider local news and its presentation as determined by the social norms of a particular geographic location and its homogeneous/heterogeneous makeup.
Having said all of that, I think most Trump supporters are uninformed, blissfully ignorant deplorables.
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Ya...
It was crazy looking at the state maps by districts....cities were Clinton...country trump...there is a division...and since all of the news comes from the cities...be believed our bubble as reality of our nation as a whole...that was a façade we should have felt...but we didn't...so I find myself today almost more enlightened then bummed...almost
It was crazy looking at the state maps by districts....cities were Clinton...country trump...there is a division...and since all of the news comes from the cities...be believed our bubble as reality of our nation as a whole...that was a façade we should have felt...but we didn't...so I find myself today almost more enlightened then bummed...almost
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All good points. I totally agree. I think you could add facebook, social media, and alt-news sites to adding to the misinformation. The way people get their news when they are lazy or passive about it, is scary and often times just flat wrong. People are living more and more in their own echo chambers and technology somehow has made it worse when it should have made factual info more abundant. Not sure what the solution is to having an inform society anymore.chaos wrote:I think several things contributed to people changing their minds at the last minute:
(1) The FBI reopening the investigation, as well as the following things connected to it: (a) Comey's letter to Congress, (b)the emails on Weiner's computer, and (c)Clinton's maid having access to the emails and faxing them. And (2) the increases in the ACA insurance premiums. All of these things occurred within about two weeks of the election.
In addition, the media coverage of Clinton and Trump was not handled in the same manner. Charlie Cook discussed this last night on CSPAN. Trump received a lot of free air time when the media choose to cover his speeches/events in their entirety. During previous campaigns, candidates' speeches were not as readily available with the same frequency let alone in their entirety. While the media frequently aired Trump's speeches entirety, this was not the case with Clinton.
One thing I could not wrap my head around was why Clinton's "scandals" seem to stick, whereas with Trump's scandals many people were more willing to move on. Again - the media had some influence. Although there was some analysis (and I use the word "analysis" loosely) of Trump, the media didn't focus much/attention on Trump's accomplishments/failures. They treated him as circus entertainment for ratings by simply letting him speak for himself (most of the time). Whereas with Clinton, there was never ending analysis/speculation on Clinton's messes and what Trump had to say about it and his next move. Most of the time Trump was not treated seriously as a candidate; therefore, he much of what he said went unchallenged when he was interviewed. What the media did do was emphasize that Trump supporters were hair-brained hillbillies. Well if you have a large section of the population that is not only uninformed but also feels marginalized, they will resent the way they are presented by the talking heads. You have to remember that everyone does not have the same amount of time to devote to watching/reading the news. I'm am not making excuses for being uninformed or for not understanding how the US government works. What I realize is that if you have a limited amount of time to devote to reading/watching the news, your sources are important. Consider local news and its presentation as determined by the social norms of a particular geographic location and its homogeneous/heterogeneous makeup.
Having said all of that, I think most Trump supporters are uninformed, blissfully ignorant deplorables.
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I guess you've read Michael Moore's morning after to-do list...I thought this point was particularly true:chaos wrote:I think several things contributed to people changing their minds at the last minute:
(1) The FBI reopening the investigation, as well as the following things connected to it: (a) Comey's letter to Congress, (b)the emails on Weiner's computer, and (c)Clinton's maid having access to the emails and faxing them. And (2) the increases in the ACA insurance premiums. All of these things occurred within about two weeks of the election.
In addition, the media coverage of Clinton and Trump was not handled in the same manner. Charlie Cook discussed this last night on CSPAN. Trump received a lot of free air time when the media choose to cover his speeches/events in their entirety. During previous campaigns, candidates' speeches were not as readily available with the same frequency let alone in their entirety. While the media frequently aired Trump's speeches entirety, this was not the case with Clinton.
One thing I could not wrap my head around was why Clinton's "scandals" seem to stick, whereas with Trump's scandals many people were more willing to move on. Again - the media had some influence. Although there was some analysis (and I use the word "analysis" loosely) of Trump, the media didn't focus much/attention on Trump's accomplishments/failures. They treated him as circus entertainment for ratings by simply letting him speak for himself (most of the time). Whereas with Clinton, there was never ending analysis/speculation on Clinton's messes and what Trump had to say about it and his next move. Most of the time Trump was not treated seriously as a candidate; therefore, he much of what he said went unchallenged when he was interviewed. What the media did do was emphasize that Trump supporters were hair-brained hillbillies. Well if you have a large section of the population that is not only uninformed but also feels marginalized, they will resent the way they are presented by the talking heads. You have to remember that everyone does not have the same amount of time to devote to watching/reading the news. I'm am not making excuses for being uninformed or for not understanding how the US government works. What I realize is that if you have a limited amount of time to devote to reading/watching the news, your sources are important. Consider local news and its presentation as determined by the social norms of a particular geographic location and its homogeneous/heterogeneous makeup.
Having said all of that, I think most Trump supporters are uninformed, blissfully ignorant deplorables.
He added that Trump should have never been treated lightly and, echoing the sentiments of Stephen Colbert, said that the media was complicit in helping him rise. “He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.”
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Since you brought it to my attention I just searched for it. (I read he originally posted it on facebook. I'm not much of a facebook user.perkana wrote:
I guess you've read Michael Moore's morning after to-do list...I thought this point was particularly true:He added that Trump should have never been treated lightly and, echoing the sentiments of Stephen Colbert, said that the media was complicit in helping him rise. “He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.”
Here is the list if anyone is interested:
When I searched for the list above, I came across something he predicted in July:Morning After To-Do List:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.
3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.
4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore
https://www.yahoo.com/news/michael-moor ... 35634.html
In July, Moore published an essay on his website titled “5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win.” The prescient article’s content was largely ignored among the left, turning Moore into somewhat of a Cassandra figure. For instance, he predicted that Trump would win over four traditionally blue states in the upper Great Lakes Rust Belt — Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — in part by attacking the Clintons for NAFTA. And it worked.
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Since you're not on fb, I'll leave you this chaos
So this morning I showed up to do a scheduled 7-minute segment on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." The conversation got so intense, so powerful that it's host, Joe Scarborough, kept waving off one commercial break after another. I was allowed a television luxury -- the chance to express my thoughts in complete paragraphs instead of in sound bytes. This lasted for 45 uninterrupted glorious minutes! The control booth apparently was going crazy. Joe blew off all commercials. "We've never done that before," said the producer. "That was the longest segment ever in the history of this show."
"Epic," said the stage manager.
When it was over they said they would bring their show to Flint.
Thank you Joe & Mika. I've never seen a host kill 5 commercial breaks before!
Here's the link: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/ ... 6604867876
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This made me laugh so hard, had to share it with all of you...
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So it looks like Massachusetts will need to build a wall around itself.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2 ... story.html
Seven reasons to move to Massachusetts instead of Canada
By Brian J. White GLOBE STAFF NOVEMBER 11, 2016
Americans crashed Canada’s Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship website Tuesday night as Donald Trump rode a populist wave to victory.
But those looking for an escape from Trump’s policies may not need to head across the border — Massachusetts offers plenty of attractive options that our neighbor to the north lacks.
1. If Obamacare is repealed, Massachusetts will still have universal health care. It’s been state law since 2006 and is what the Affordable Care Act was modeled on. It’s very popular, and it’s not going anywhere.
2. Ditto for marriage equality. Massachusetts’ highest court legalized same-sex marriage in 2004. So even if a conservative Supreme Court overturned itself on the issue, it would still be legal here.
3. We just legalized recreational marijuana on Tuesday. Toke on that, Trudeau.
4. Apparently, Massachusetts and Hawaii are the only states in the country in which every county voted for Hillary Clinton.
5. Aside from our very popular (and very moderate) governor, all statewide offices are held by Democrats, who also control both the state House and Senate.
6. If you REALLY need some poutine, Montreal is only a 6-hour drive from Boston.
7. Best of all, there is no convoluted immigration process with high hurdles to clear. Just aim toward New England and stop when every other store is a Dunkin’ Donuts.
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Decent number of "Protesters Wanted" ads on Craigslist and other sites the past few days: