Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Final numbers in.....
$452 Million/1,667,602 votes = $271.05 a vote.
Well, I will say I thought it would be much worse.....I still wouldn't vote for him for $270....would have to be at least $500....
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Bloomberg has dropped out and endorsed Biden.
The Democrats are starting to herd their cats.
The Democrats are starting to herd their cats.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Biden would be /fine/... not great. Not as inspiring as Obama, but probably a pretty similar administration. A lot of longstanding shitty issues the US has won't be addressed (let along solved) even if he is elected. It's not looking good, though.
I still don't think Trump has anything like Reagan-level support though, so I'm sticking to what I said.
I still don't think Trump has anything like Reagan-level support though, so I'm sticking to what I said.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Care to make a wager....
$60.
You: Biden wins electoral.
Me: Trump wins >45 states and >55% popular
Anything else a draw.
I need $60 more, after I collect from Hype, to get the book I want......
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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
45 states?!?mockbee wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:22 pmCare to make a wager....
$60.
You: Biden wins electoral.
Me: Trump wins >45 states and >55% popular
Anything else a draw.
I need $60 more, after I collect from Hype, to get the book I want......
Don't forget Biden now has Bloomberg $$$.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
I've never lost a bet in my life.drwintercreeper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:33 pmhttp://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/locations
just saying...
I only wager when I know I have 90-95% chance of not losing.....
Have spent about a total of $5 on slots, admit that was a mistake....
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Wow.
Sanders gets slaughtered..........
Can't even win King County possibly. Its neck and neck, he should have been absolutely killing it there. Same with Henneppin Co from last week. Those were his bellwethers....
California was a complete anomaly. Then he just won NH.....caucuses are stupid.
I always thought Biden would win the nomination, but didn't think it would be THIS easy.
Sanders gets slaughtered..........
Can't even win King County possibly. Its neck and neck, he should have been absolutely killing it there. Same with Henneppin Co from last week. Those were his bellwethers....
California was a complete anomaly. Then he just won NH.....caucuses are stupid.
I always thought Biden would win the nomination, but didn't think it would be THIS easy.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
The messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.
Biden's going to lose states like Michigan if he keeps yelling at auto workers who think he's going to take their guns away, though.
Biden's going to lose states like Michigan if he keeps yelling at auto workers who think he's going to take their guns away, though.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Explain King County (Seattle) and Henneppin County (Mpls).Hype wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 amThe messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.
This is highly educated, highly politically engaged, euro-centric, secular liberal bastions of progressives ....... Sanders tied or lost.
Way worse than 2016..... What? Besides misogyny which I am sure played a part....
Also US may just be too brainwashed to realize that Sanders is just your modern day Debs...something that can be very "American". ..not European. But still......King County.......
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
I don't know how to explain any specific outcome of any vote. But what I said doesn't conflict with those two cases you mention. The fact that Red Scare-style fear-mongering works better on working-class folks doesn't mean it doesn't work on educated affluent folks. But well-off people have their own reasons for not voting progressive (protecting the status quo, their money, their neighbourhoods, etc.).mockbee wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:01 amExplain King County (Seattle) and Henneppin County (Mpls).Hype wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 amThe messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.
This is highly educated, highly politically engaged, euro-centric, secular liberal bastions of progressives ....... Sanders tied or lost.
Way worse than 2016..... What? Besides misogyny which I am sure played a part....
Also US may just be too brainwashed to realize that Sanders is just your modern day Debs...something that can be very "American". ..not European. But still......King County.......
I don't find it confusing at all.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.
Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
California is just.....different.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
I think it's a mistake to stick too closely to monolithic groupings like this. Yes, people are fairly predictable on average. And yes, there are good reasons to criticize general tendencies. But the South Park "republican"/libertarian "fuck everyone, they're all hypocrites" mentality seems to me to have confused the existence of corruption for the absolute corruption of everything.mockbee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm
This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.
Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
Yeah I get it.Hype wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:27 pmI think it's a mistake to stick too closely to monolithic groupings like this. Yes, people are fairly predictable on average. And yes, there are good reasons to criticize general tendencies. But the South Park "republican"/libertarian "fuck everyone, they're all hypocrites" mentality seems to me to have confused the existence of corruption for the absolute corruption of everything.mockbee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm
This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.
Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.
This is a message board.... just playing my part.
Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?
It looks like Bernie is slowly statring ease out of the race:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -democrats
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“The next primary contest is at least three weeks away. Senator Sanders is going to be having conversations with supporters to assess his campaign,” Sanders’ campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, said in a statement. “In the immediate term, however, he is focused on the government response to the coronavirus outbreak and ensuring that we take care of working people and the most vulnerable.”
The Sanders campaign also sent out an email to supporters with a similarly gloomy tone.
“No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted,” Shakir wrote in that email. “And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.”
The email did not include a usual link to make a donation to the campaign. Instead it linked to Sanders’ response on how the federal government should be responding to the coronavirus pandemic, a signal that the campaign is at least slightly inching away from a relentless campaign mode.
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