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#51 Post by nausearockpig » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:35 pm

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Quite obnoxious, and for so long. Worse than my short-lived side character Hyperbolic. And far less funny.
Yeh clickie hasn’t been hilarious for quite some time now. I wonder what happened? Oh well.

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#52 Post by mockbee » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:09 pm

Impressive.


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Huge Crowds Around the Globe March in Solidarity Against Police Brutality
Tens of thousands turned out in Australia, Britain, France, Germany and other nations in support of U.S. protests against the death of George Floyd, while denouncing racism in their own countries.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/wor ... omepage

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#53 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:36 am

Anyone following what's been happening in Seattle?

Local officials and the police have basically allowed protesters to set up an "Autonomous Zone" in the city. Police say armed guards have been surrounding the perimeter of the region and residents who live within the boundaries are forced to show ID to prove you “belong” there." Officials have said that leaders in the anti-cop zone are "starting to extort money from the local businesses within the border for 'protection.'" People living, working and business owners in the area have been "begging for help because they are not being allowed into their homes without ID." Police have been told to stay away from the region unless there is a call to 911 for help.

Seattle PD wants to negotiate with protestors to get their precinct back. The local government is allowing it to happen. This is fucking insane. Maybe law enforcement is biding their time trying not to start a civil war in the streets but WTF? National guard needs to be sent in asap. This shit really pisses me off.

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#54 Post by mockbee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am

Oh don't worry Biden has a plan we can all get behind.





You sound like a Trump supporter........ (j/k..... sort of..... :hehe: )


:lol:

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#55 Post by mockbee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:57 am

My theory is that the police are waiting for shit to go down like this, and then the collective public will demand more of their liberal city councils and mayors and they will get behind law and order.

Trump will come out looking like the "sensible" one out of the entire bunch.

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#56 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:58 am

mockbee wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am
Oh don't worry Biden has a plan we can all get behind.

You sound like a Trump supporter........ (j/k..... sort of..... :hehe: )


:lol:

Another example of the batshit craziness going on right now:


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#57 Post by Artemis » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:02 pm

I think more protest will be happening net week.

Mockbee is right that Cheeto is adept at strategy. If he didn't know the significance of June 19th, one of his people certainly did.

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-pic ... PeqZFMaZd4
Trump Picks Site of Anti-Black Massacre for Rally on Day Marking End to Slavery

President Donald Trump is planning to appear in Tulsa, Oklahoma, next week for his first campaign rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, at a location and on a date that many are saying is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful to events in Black history in the U.S., especially in the wake of uprisings that have occurred following the killing of George Floyd late last month at the hands of white police officers.

Trump insisted that his decision to speak in Tulsa was based out of that state’s supposed handling of the disease. “A beautiful new venue, brand new. We’re looking forward to it,” Trump added, while speaking to reporters on Wednesday.

Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt also claimed the decision to speak in the city was based on the state being a “national example in responsibly and safely reopening.”

President Donald Trump is planning to appear in Tulsa, Oklahoma, next week for his first campaign rally since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, at a location and on a date that many are saying is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful to events in Black history in the U.S., especially in the wake of uprisings that have occurred following the killing of George Floyd late last month at the hands of white police officers.

Trump insisted that his decision to speak in Tulsa was based out of that state’s supposed handling of the disease. “A beautiful new venue, brand new. We’re looking forward to it,” Trump added, while speaking to reporters on Wednesday.

Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt also claimed the decision to speak in the city was based on the state being a “national example in responsibly and safely reopening.”

Bestselling author Morgan Jerkins described the choice as “not only offensive” but also “a desecration.”

“We still haven’t found all the graves of those who were massacred there back in 1921,” she added.

Bestselling author Morgan Jerkins described the choice as “not only offensive” but also “a desecration.”

“We still haven’t found all the graves of those who were massacred there back in 1921,” she added.

Some wondered if Trump was unaware of the significance the city and the date had on Black lives in the U.S. “Trump’s first rally in months will be on Juneteenth in the city of the Black Wall Street massacre. His team might be too stupid to realize this, but what disgusting symbolism,” television writer Tyler Dinucci wrote.

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#58 Post by mockbee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:10 pm

Yup.


Cunning.


Puts Biden in the position of having to "support" BLM, or else he is a part of the problem.....along with Trump.

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#59 Post by Larry B. » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:36 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:58 am
mockbee wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am
Oh don't worry Biden has a plan we can all get behind.

You sound like a Trump supporter........ (j/k..... sort of..... :hehe: )


:lol:

Another example of the batshit craziness going on right now:

Honestly, I hate this shit.

Something similar is making the rounds here in Chile. As if my ‘whiteness’ has got something to do with something. I’m not even white/caucasian. I’m Hispanic, in this fucking classification of humans. But yeah, I’ve definitely have it easier than black people living in Chile, because this country is racist as fuck. But I kind of refuse to take responsibility for shit that isn’t my fault. And to have people (celebrities or not) ‘taking responsibility’ is embarrassing to me.

And/but, I was also strongly oppossed when here in Chile for Women’s Day (March 8th), there was a call for men to exclude themselves from the protests for greater gender equality. Personally, I thought it was stupid and shameful. How dare you exclude all those people who SUPPORT the feminist cause?? And what’s the real point you want to make?

But as it turns out, having 1.2 million women all on their on filling the streets of Santiago was really meaningful.

So I might be wrong about the taking responsibility thing. But it makes my skin crawl.

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#60 Post by Bandit72 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:47 pm

In the UK over the past few days we have had a statue ripped down.



There are now a further 60 under scrutiny

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/09/hit-list ... -12827249/

Question :

As I, and everyone else of sound mind, are utterly shocked and disgusted over the death of George Floyd. Does this warrant a sudden UK (worldwide) retribution on every single person in history who has had anything to do with the 'promotion' of slavery, however small? Now I'm guessing statues are erected for something the person elect has done, which has been of benefit to the immediate or far reaching community. I guess my question is, why now? Why has it taken 10. 20, 100 years to do this? Should history not be preserved to be discussed and critiqued? In the UK we have had content (EXTREMELY popular content) taken down from YouTube in the last 24 hours because there may have one or two things that people find 'offensive'. My immediate thought was religion. 65% of the population in this country hold a belief in one of the three main monotheisms. ALL of those codone slavery. Do we now start to scrutinise religion? (which of course we should btw). :noclue:

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#61 Post by Hype » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm

Question :

As I, and everyone else of sound mind, are utterly shocked and disgusted over the death of George Floyd. Does this warrant a sudden UK (worldwide) retribution on every single person in history who has had anything to do with the 'promotion' of slavery, however small? Now I'm guessing statues are erected for something the person elect has done, which has been of benefit to the immediate or far reaching community. I guess my question is, why now? Why has it taken 10. 20, 100 years to do this? Should history not be preserved to be discussed and critiqued? In the UK we have had content (EXTREMELY popular content) taken down from YouTube in the last 24 hours because there may have one or two things that people find 'offensive'. My immediate thought was religion. 65% of the population in this country hold a belief in one of the three main monotheisms. ALL of those codone slavery. Do we now start to scrutinise religion? (which of course we should btw).
Because time and demographic changes make a difference. If you were raised with The Elephant's Child, you might not realize Rudyard Kipling is a giant honking pile of colonialist garbage. You might want to defend him. Because that is a warm fuzzy memory from your childhood. Likewise for, say, the statue you saw as a 10 year old with your dad, who now has dementia but still remembers that statue. To you, it won't matter that that statue may not have even been put up to honour something positive done for society. It may have been paid and lobbied for by some weird special-interest group intending to prop up a stilted idea of historical significance.

The question: why now, not before? Is only a good one if you're seriously asking what the roadblocks and hurdles were before that prevented opposition to glorification of the worst parts of our history from successfully stopping it. But often that question isn't meant like that -- it's meant more apathetically: if it didn't work 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, why bother? It's been there all this time and nothing was done, so why change now?

But that would just make you a person who doesn't care, doesn't like change even when it doesn't affect you or when it might help make your community less full of what appears to an impartial observer to be the glorification of atrocities.

We don't need monuments and statues to remember history. That's why we have historians, and articles, and books, and documentaries, and docudramas, and historical reacreationists, and preservation societies (not, that is, of statues, but of, say, historic buildings, not for glorification of some person, but because it's a site of historical/archeological significance).

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#62 Post by mockbee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:19 pm

We are all racist.

It's embedded in the system.
It comes from the system we now call capitalism, but has come under many forms in human history. All based on creating capital for a select few.

Slavery is, in its many forms, a critical component of that system. A result. Slavery is not because we hate black people inherently. It is because we were able to subjugate them and create capital.

Black people are sick and tired of it, understandably.

Progressive/left liberal hand wringing finger wagging holier than thou grandstanding is disgusting and won't lead anywhere useful. It shuts down what really need to be talked about. Nobody wants to discuss what really needs to be talked about. Economic inequality that has its foundation in capitalism. That would be really hard and also terrifying to Trump because could unite all working poor; white, black, latino, asian etc.

:noclue:






This woman totally gets it.... :nod:


This freaks ALL whites the fuck out.
The Right head for their guns.....
The Left head for the covers......

Trump also totally gets it.

Collectively, whites will NEVER give up their power(wealth). And it's a bunch of hypocritical bullshit that liberals think they are doing anything useful by focusing on race instead of economics.

Yeah we gotta start somewhere but I don't see how we get a foot past the starting line (taking down statues) when the race is a mile......maybe start with what is really wrong. Most white liberals think they are done with the mea culpa and the torn down statue....

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#63 Post by mockbee » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:35 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:47 pm
In the UK over the past few days we have had a statue ripped down.




https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/09/hit-list ... -12827249/
Edward Colston

Between 1672 and 1689, Colston’s Royal African Company shipped about 100,000 enslaved people from West Africa to the Americas and the Caribbean, branding them on their chests with his corporation’s acronym, RAC. Disease and dehydration killed more than 20,000 people taken onto those ships by Colston’s company, and their bodies were thrown into the ocean. Yet Colston’s bronze statue, which was erected in 1895 in Bristol, was engraved with the inscription “ … one of the most virtuous and wise sons” of the city.
Taking Gone With the Wind off the air and baning shit is not helpful.

But good riddance to THAT guy being celebrated in Bristol.

A statue in a public square with the engraving “ … one of the most virtuous and wise sons” of Bristol is a problem.

Wiki the guy if someone wants to learn about him.
Or better yet. Put the above bio on the engraving instead. :idea:
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We all have such a long long ways to go........ :wavesad:

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#64 Post by Bandit72 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:42 am

Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm
We don't need monuments and statues to remember history. That's why we have historians, and articles, and books, and documentaries, and docudramas, and historical reacreationists, and preservation societies (not, that is, of statues, but of, say, historic buildings, not for glorification of some person, but because it's a site of historical/archeological significance).
I'm not 100% I agree with this. Wiping out 'visible' history could potentially have the opposite effect of not being ignorant. For example, do you think Auschwitz should be bulldozed and limited to books and documentaries? I've been there, and it was more powerful than reading or watching anything by some considerable margin. Does it glorify the nazi regime? Of course it doesn't.

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#65 Post by mockbee » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:35 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:42 am
Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm
We don't need monuments and statues to remember history. That's why we have historians, and articles, and books, and documentaries, and docudramas, and historical reacreationists, and preservation societies (not, that is, of statues, but of, say, historic buildings, not for glorification of some person, but because it's a site of historical/archeological significance).
I'm not 100% I agree with this. Wiping out 'visible' history could potentially have the opposite effect of not being ignorant. For example, do you think Auschwitz should be bulldozed and limited to books and documentaries? I've been there, and it was more powerful than reading or watching anything by some considerable margin. Does it glorify the nazi regime? Of course it doesn't.
I am curious. Is it common knowledge and understood in Britain who Colston (along with men like Cecil Rhodes, Henry Dundas and Robert Clive) were? That Rhodes was clearly a raging racist?
One of Rhodes's primary motivations in politics and business was his professed belief that the Anglo-Saxon race was, to quote his will, "the first race in the world".[3] Under the reasoning that "the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race",
Was this what generally people think when they passed by his statue?
I am not making judgement. I am seriously curious.
:noclue:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opin ... e=Homepage

What's the difference with having a Hitler. Or Goebbles statue and thinking well, they were bad, but that's ancient history.

Specifically about statues that are exclusively about the glorification of the person. They tried putting a plaque on the Colston statue that made reference to how he attained all that wealth, but repeatedly failed.


Maybe we do need to start with statues....I don't know.

I just don't see this ending well.
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#66 Post by Hype » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:52 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:42 am
Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm
We don't need monuments and statues to remember history. That's why we have historians, and articles, and books, and documentaries, and docudramas, and historical reacreationists, and preservation societies (not, that is, of statues, but of, say, historic buildings, not for glorification of some person, but because it's a site of historical/archeological significance).
I'm not 100% I agree with this. Wiping out 'visible' history could potentially have the opposite effect of not being ignorant. For example, do you think Auschwitz should be bulldozed and limited to books and documentaries? I've been there, and it was more powerful than reading or watching anything by some considerable margin. Does it glorify the nazi regime? Of course it doesn't.
If Auschwitz was a statue and it was glorified by neo-Nazis as a shrine to genocide, then yes, it should be bulldozed. But that isn't what it is.

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#67 Post by Bandit72 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:17 am

mockbee wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:35 am
Bandit72 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:42 am
Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:13 pm
We don't need monuments and statues to remember history. That's why we have historians, and articles, and books, and documentaries, and docudramas, and historical reacreationists, and preservation societies (not, that is, of statues, but of, say, historic buildings, not for glorification of some person, but because it's a site of historical/archeological significance).
I'm not 100% I agree with this. Wiping out 'visible' history could potentially have the opposite effect of not being ignorant. For example, do you think Auschwitz should be bulldozed and limited to books and documentaries? I've been there, and it was more powerful than reading or watching anything by some considerable margin. Does it glorify the nazi regime? Of course it doesn't.
I am curious. Is it common knowledge and understood in Britain who Colston (along with men like Cecil Rhodes, Henry Dundas and Robert Clive) were? That Rhodes was clearly a raging racist?
One of Rhodes's primary motivations in politics and business was his professed belief that the Anglo-Saxon race was, to quote his will, "the first race in the world".[3] Under the reasoning that "the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race",
Was this what generally people think when they passed by his statue?
I am not making judgement. I am seriously curious.
:noclue:


I'd never heard of him. I've probably only been to Bristol two or three times and going to look at statues isn't really my bag. Anyway, he's been fished out now and going in a museum .
which to be fair is what should have happened in the first place.

Churchill is being targeted as well. There's going to be a shit ton of demonstrations in London on Saturday between both 'sides'. What fun...

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#68 Post by mockbee » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:44 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:17 am


I'd never heard of him. I've probably only been to Bristol two or three times and going to look at statues isn't really my bag. Anyway, he's been fished out now and going in a museum .
which to be fair is what should have happened in the first place.


Nobody's bag is visiting white supremesist statues. (Except for the douch bag racists) Then why are they there?

BLM doing their job I guess....we're talking about it. You (and I :wink: ) learned what a douch bag Colson and Rhodes were. Statues going to a museum. :noclue:
Churchill is being targeted as well. There's going to be a shit ton of demonstrations in London on Saturday between both 'sides'. What fun...
Welcome to our party. Confronting institutionalized racism isn't a picnic. That's the point. Why would it be easy?....Our entire system is based on the back of it.
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#69 Post by Hype » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:12 pm

Churchill was a racist defender of colonialism, though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ld-forget/
Churchill's detractors point to his well-documented bigotry, articulated often with shocking callousness and contempt. "I hate Indians," he once trumpeted. "They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He referred to Palestinians as "barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung." When quashing insurgents in Sudan in the earlier days of his imperial career, Churchill boasted of killing three "savages." Contemplating restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the "squeamishness" of his colleagues, who were not in "favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes."
Let's learn about Churchill's role in World War II in school, and also learn about his racist shitty beliefs and why they're shitty, and not just glorify the dude.

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#70 Post by Larry B. » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:22 pm

There’s a deeply problematic issue here, in that masses can’t seem to approve admiration for anyone, because everone is shitty or has been. As someone who had to “save” England, Churchill had to oversee the killings of thousands. His racist views were the absolute norm at the time. Even I remember in my childhood reading comics where Africans were dark chocolate, with huge lips, and with a bone as a hairpin.

And interesting consequence of this is that popular leaders just can’t exist. Everyone’s a rapist, or a racist, or hit a person once, or supported a rapist or a racist, or is friends with a rapist’s friend... and so on.

Che Guevara disliked gays and shot a man in the face at least once. Pablo Neruda didn’t recognise one of her daughters, apparently. David Bowie apparently had sex with a 14 year old at some point when he was like 26.

Everyone pointing the finger at each other, when it should be strongly pointed at two “institutions”: capitalism and religion.

Here in Chile we also tore down a couple of statues of Spanish conquerors. But to be honest, that task should’ve been waaaay down the list of priorities. Let’s fucking scare the president and the 12 families that control the country, shall we?

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#71 Post by Hype » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:00 pm

Larry B. wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:22 pm
There’s a deeply problematic issue here, in that masses can’t seem to approve admiration for anyone, because everone is shitty or has been. As someone who had to “save” England, Churchill had to oversee the killings of thousands. His racist views were the absolute norm at the time. Even I remember in my childhood reading comics where Africans were dark chocolate, with huge lips, and with a bone as a hairpin.

And interesting consequence of this is that popular leaders just can’t exist. Everyone’s a rapist, or a racist, or hit a person once, or supported a rapist or a racist, or is friends with a rapist’s friend... and so on.

Che Guevara disliked gays and shot a man in the face at least once. Pablo Neruda didn’t recognise one of her daughters, apparently. David Bowie apparently had sex with a 14 year old at some point when he was like 26.

Everyone pointing the finger at each other, when it should be strongly pointed at two “institutions”: capitalism and religion.

Here in Chile we also tore down a couple of statues of Spanish conquerors. But to be honest, that task should’ve been waaaay down the list of priorities. Let’s fucking scare the president and the 12 families that control the country, shall we?
When the US "liberated" Iraq, the first thing they did was go for the statues of Saddam.
When the Soviet Union imploded, the first thing to go in many places were statues of Lenin and Stalin.

I see your point, but context matters. Tearing down statues can be very powerful (as propaganda, as shock, as fear-stoker, etc.). And in a few cases in this current crisis, it has already been.

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#72 Post by chaos » Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:49 pm

Too many things are being lumped together (which clearly can be seen in the title of the article below).

I have only pasted the part where Cleese is mentioned - the final third of the article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

Winston Churchill statue is put in a protective box, as British culture wars sideline Nigel Farage and a John Cleese sitcom

By William Booth
June 12, 2020 at 2:58 p.m. EDT

. . .

On Friday, though, British entertainment news was focused on a decision by the BBC-owned streaming service UKTV to pull a rerun of a 45-year-old episode of the sitcom “Fawlty Towers.”

The episode is most famous for phrase “Don’t mention the war!” repeated by the goose-stepping former Monty Python actor John Cleese, as German tourists stay at his shambles of a hotel.

The German joke isn’t the controversial bit; it is another character on the show, an aging guest named Major Gowen, using racial slurs to describe cricket players.

Cleese told the Sydney Morning Herald he wasn’t happy to see the episode temporarily pulled “for review.” “If you put nonsense words into the mouth of someone you want to make fun of you’re not broadcasting their views, you’re making fun of them,” he said.

“If they can’t see that, if people are too stupid to see that, what can one say?” Cleese told the newspaper.

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#73 Post by Bandit72 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:42 am

Chaos, this is the clip



The Major was always portrayed (and treated) as an idiotic relic, battle-damaged, maybe senile, always a man of ridicule and exasperated contempt. That was the point. But, and there is a massive BUT, this is painful to watch.

But I'll go back to a previous point. Why are the three major monotheisms being left out of all this? Slavery, homosexuals, human rights, the list goes on.

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#74 Post by chaos » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:25 am

I am a fan of Fawlty Towers. The writers are satirizing racists through Major Gowan's ironic rebuke (as well as comically exposing casual English racism throughout the episode.) My point was that Cleese/his sitcom should not be lumped together with Churchill and Farage; on a micro-level Cleese criticizes what Churchill and Farage represent.

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#75 Post by Hype » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:20 am

There is a massive difference between a portrayal of a racist for the purpose of ridiculing him, which happens to use out loud words which nowadays wouldn't be said, often even by people just as racist, and the portrayal of a racist for the purpose of glorifying him, which is what the fucking statues are.

Cleese called people who can't understand this "stupid", and he's right.

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