The Smashing Pumpkins

[Essence_Smith]

I think this tour ('98) was the turning point where Billy really started fucking with audience expectations, playing wildly different (and not always successful) arrangements of well known songs and often stupefying pacing and song selections in the setlists. I don't know if he thinks he's Springsteen who can actually pull off this sort of thing or just has a level of contempt for his audience. Judging by many of the shows since '07, it seems it's more a case of ego and contempt.

As much as I am NOT a fan of Billy, I remember seeing him in a recent interview where he talks about his peers from the 90's basically doing nostalgia shows and conforming to expectations by basically trotting out the hits night after night...and I have to say I'm glad he's at least trying to do something different. At the end of the day after you've given people years of the same thing I see nothing wrong with at least making an attempt at playing around with arrangements, etc...maybe it is about ego, but if they were to do what Jane's does, people would complain about that too...that being said I have heard that Billy can be a total ass with the crowd at shows...so who the hell knows?

[Pandemonium]

As much as I am NOT a fan of Billy, I remember seeing him in a recent interview where he talks about his peers from the 90's basically doing nostalgia shows and conforming to expectations by basically trotting out the hits night after night...and I have to say I'm glad he's at least trying to do something different. At the end of the day after you've given people years of the same thing I see nothing wrong with at least making an attempt at playing around with arrangements, etc...maybe it is about ego, but if they were to do what Jane's does, people would complain about that too...that being said I have heard that Billy can be a total ass with the crowd at shows...so who the hell knows?

The tour with the meandering, 1/2 hour long Pink Floyd covers during the encore and virtually no hits and the following tour with the onstage wrestling gimmick seem to push the Billy Meter pegged towards "Ass."

[Essence_Smith]

As much as I am NOT a fan of Billy, I remember seeing him in a recent interview where he talks about his peers from the 90's basically doing nostalgia shows and conforming to expectations by basically trotting out the hits night after night...and I have to say I'm glad he's at least trying to do something different. At the end of the day after you've given people years of the same thing I see nothing wrong with at least making an attempt at playing around with arrangements, etc...maybe it is about ego, but if they were to do what Jane's does, people would complain about that too...that being said I have heard that Billy can be a total ass with the crowd at shows...so who the hell knows?

The tour with the meandering, 1/2 hour long Pink Floyd covers during the encore and virtually no hits and the following tour with the onstage wrestling gimmick seem to push the Billy Meter pegged towards "Ass."

OMG...I gotta see the wrestling stuff...I think that's the only thing I liked about him...dude is an unashamed wrestling mark just like me...

[Tyler Durden]

The new single "Being Beige" from the album Monuments To An Elegy, due out December 9th:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... e-20141020

If you like latter era Pumpkins, you'll probably like this. And if you wish it was still 1993, you'll probably hate this.

[Pandemonium]

The new single "Being Beige" from the album Monuments To An Elegy, due out December 9th:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... e-20141020

If you like latter era Pumpkins, you'll probably like this. And if you wish it was still 1993, you'll probably hate this.

It's cookie-cutter Pumpkins. I don't hate the tune but it fades from memory as soon as I'm done hearing it.

[Artemis]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/11/r ... -for-tour/

Rage Against the Machine and The Killers members to join Smashing Pumpkins for tour

Billy Corgan will stage a series of record release shows in support of Smashing Pumpkins‘ new album, Monuments to an Elegy, and he’s enlisted a pair of big-name musicians to round out the touring lineup. Rage Against the Machine drummer Brad Wilk and The Killers bassist Mark Stoermer will join Corgan and Jeff Schroeder for intimate engagements in Berlin, London, Paris, and New York City.

Additionally, the Pumpkins have confirmed a December 10th appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live and a December 14th slot at KROQ’s Almost Acoustic Christmas concert.

Monuments to an Elegy is due out December 9th via Martha’s Music / Song BMG. Check out the album’s latest track, “Tiberius”, followed by the band’s full tour docket.





Smashing Pumpkins 2014 Tour Dates:
11/30 – Berlin, DE @ Kesselhaus
12/05 – London, UK @ Koko’s
12/06 – Paris, FR @ Le Trabendo
12/08 – New York, NY @ Webster Hall
12/14 – Los Angeles, CA @ The Forum (Almost Acoustic Christmas)

[kv]

wow wilk with billy...interesting

[Pandemonium]

Is this the first time Billy's had a male bass player in SP?

[Tyler Durden]

Is this the first time Billy's had a male bass player in SP?

Yup...one site's headline was like "Hell Freezes Over: Billy Corgan recruits male bass player".

Seriously though, I don't see why it matters either way.

[Matov]

Is this the first time Billy's had a male bass player in SP?

Yup...one site's headline was like "Hell Freezes Over: Billy Corgan recruits male bass player".

Seriously though, I don't see why it matters either way.

He played at least one show (under the SP name) with Mark Tulin of the Electric Prunes on bass, as you can see below

[Hokahey]

Modern Pumpkins are to Siamese Dream what TGEA is to Ritual.

Billy can still write a song. They just sound like crap. Like Perry, and Maynard and Trent - he ditched his trademark vocals for more sing songey crap. And for god's sake Billy, can you bring back the distortion petal/big muff sound for just one record?

[JOEinPHX]

Maynard does not make sing songey crap.

Maynard has always been able to sing.

[Hype]

Maynard does not make sing songey crap.

Maynard has always been able to sing.

10,000 Days is fucking terrible because of his voice. Not because he can't sing, but because it doesn't fit.

[Essence_Smith]

As one myself, ALL aging rock vocalists end up changing they're approach over time...usually you're just kind of forced because you can't hit it the same as you used to and then it tends to change the way you write the vocal parts...

[Tyler Durden]

Television performance of "Being Beige"...

http://www.prosieben.at/tv/circus-halli ... beige-clip

[nausearockpig]

Maynard does not make sing songey crap.

Maynard has always been able to sing.

10,000 Days is fucking terrible because of his voice. Not because he can't sing, but because it doesn't fit.

10,000 Days is terrible because for the most part it's filled with self-indulgent masturbation passed off as TOOL genius that "real fans" "get"...

[Hype]

Maynard does not make sing songey crap.

Maynard has always been able to sing.

10,000 Days is fucking terrible because of his voice. Not because he can't sing, but because it doesn't fit.

10,000 Days is terrible because for the most part it's filled with self-indulgent masturbation passed off as TOOL genius that "real fans" "get"...

Right. I shouldn't have implied that Maynard's voice is the only cause of 10,000 Days' terribleness. I wanted to love that album so much. But I hate it.

[Mescal]

Maynard does not make sing songey crap.

Maynard has always been able to sing.

10,000 Days is fucking terrible because of his voice. Not because he can't sing, but because it doesn't fit.

10,000 Days is terrible because for the most part it's filled with self-indulgent masturbation passed off as TOOL genius that "real fans" "get"...

:) So spot on.

Even seeing 'em live on that tour was terrible.

I saw em during Lateralus which is one of the better shows I've ever seen

[Pandemonium]

[Pandemonium]

Apparently Dave Pajo, the bass player for Corgan's short-lived band Zwan attempted to commit suicide last night following a number of very disturbing, attention seeking posts on his blog and Instagram. Looks like he was broken up over his wife cheating on him although he seems a bit bent to begin with:

http://pinkhollers.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

http://instagram.com/davidpajo/

[Matz]

hmm, he's being a fuckin lowlife to this Leila woman that's for sure

[SR]

He's getting a lot of love from Watt...

https://www.facebook.com/DavidPajoOffic ... 8401441587

[Mescal]

Cool, a Lost Highway reunion!

I never knew they played Eye live. Great clip.

[Artemis]

I think I'm going to catch this show. I tried to get tickets for Marilyn Manson earlier this year but the show was sold out.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/s ... ning-tour/

Following a two-decade long feud, alt-rock torchbearers William Corgan and Marilyn Manson recently made amends and have been spotted performing together on two different occasions, first in London last December, and again in Sydney earlier this month. Now, American audiences will get a chance to see the duo in action as The Smashing Pumpkins and Manson have just announced a co-headlining tour.

Dubbed The End Times tour, the 23-city outing kicks off July 7th in Concord, California and extends through early August. Smashing Pumpkins will be supporting their latest album, Monuments To An Elegy, while Manson will be promoting The Pale Emperor.

The End Times Tour Dates:
07/07 – Concord, CA @ Concord Pavilion
07/09 – Irvine, CA @ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
07/10 – Las Vegas, NV @ The Joint at Hard Rock Hotel & Casino
07/11 – Phoenix, AZ @ Comerica Theatre
07/13 – Morrison, CO @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre
07/15 – Dallas, TX @ Gexa Energy Pavilion
07/16 – Houston, TX @ NRG Arena
07/18 – San Antonio, TX @ Freeman Coliseum
07/19 – Austin, TX @ Austin City Limits Live
07/20 – New Orleans, LA @ Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square
07/22 – Miami, FL @ Bayfront Park Amphitheatre
07/24 – Tampa, FL @ MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre at the FL State Fairgrounds
07/25 – Atlanta, GA @ Aaron’s Amphitheatre at Lakewood
07/26 – Raleigh, NC @ Red Hat Amphitheater
07/28 – Boston, MA @ Blue Hills Bank Pavilion
07/29 – Holmdel, NJ @ PNC Bank Arts Center
07/31 – Wantagh, NY @ Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
08/01 – Mashantucket, CT @ Foxwoods Resort Casino
08/02 – Camden, NJ @ Susquehanna Bank Center
08/04 – Toronto, ON @ Molson Canadian Amphitheatre
08/05 – Clarkston, MI @ DTE Energy Music Theatre
08/07 – Chicago, IL @ FirstMerit Bank Pavilion at Northerly Island
08/08 – Cincinnati, OH @ Riverbend Music Center

[Hokahey]

It's depressing to see the bands from my youth all washed up and playing package tours the way bands from the 70s and 80s did in the 90s.