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Re: Van Halen

#176 Post by SR » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:11 pm

Interesting assertions. I know nothing about vh. My first record was purchased this morning and it's a greatest hits album I got to listen to evh's style, evolution of style and harmonics he mentions in the interview. As an aside, his playing is great, great hooks, just fun stuff. It was just enough to allow me to get through the dismal vocals and lyrics. Great for the gym.

As for his lies, what contributions did the others make? As far as I could tell Roths are detrimental and the bass serves just a requisite utility (as do the drums). Too evh has had the power over the years to do exactly as he pleases with regard to lineup....effortlessly. Wouldn't other, major collaborators, have made those transitions much more difficult.

I ask sincerely because as a non fan, but a person who's always had an ear tuned to music trivia, his assertions seem plausible.

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#177 Post by Artemis » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:19 pm

Since I'm not really a VH fan either, I can't speak about the contributions and goings on of members past or present.

With regards to David Lee Roth, I think he made a contribution by attracting many females to VH. He was a great showman, very charismatic, and good looking. When VH was coming out in the 70s, they seemed more of a band that guys would like. Sort of like ACDC, Judas Priest, and Sabbath. Anyway, I remember sisters of friends who had this poster in their bedroom. I think it was inside one of the albums.


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I remember this one too.

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Re: Van Halen

#178 Post by SR » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:35 pm

Artemis wrote:Since I'm not really a VH fan either, I can't speak about the contributions and goings on of members past or present.

With regards to David Lee Roth, I think he made a contribution by attracting many females to VH. He was a great showman, very charismatic, and good looking. When VH was coming out in the 70s, they seemed more of a band that guys would like. Sort of like ACDC, Judas Priest, and Sabbath. Anyway, I remember sisters of friends who had this poster in their bedroom. I think it was inside one of the albums.


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I remember this one too.

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Well, there is that. :thumb:

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Re: Van Halen

#179 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:53 pm

SR wrote:Interesting assertions. I know nothing about vh. My first record was purchased this morning and it's a greatest hits album I got to listen to evh's style, evolution of style and harmonics he mentions in the interview. As an aside, his playing is great, great hooks, just fun stuff. It was just enough to allow me to get through the dismal vocals and lyrics. Great for the gym.

As for his lies, what contributions did the others make? As far as I could tell Roths are detrimental and the bass serves just a requisite utility (as do the drums). Too evh has had the power over the years to do exactly as he pleases with regard to lineup....effortlessly. Wouldn't other, major collaborators, have made those transitions much more difficult.

I ask sincerely because as a non fan, but a person who's always had an ear tuned to music trivia, his assertions seem plausible.
There's no denying Eddie's unique style of playing (especially his on-the-fly amazing rhythm playing through the 80's which is often overlooked nowadays), his instantly recognizable tone and ability to come up with great riffs album after album is *the* biggest, longest lasting and most consistent piece of the Van Halen legacy. But early on, especially with the original Roth era lineup, Roth's charisma, especially onstage and the almost Beach Boys-like harmonies (see: "Jamie's Cryin'" "Dance The Night Away") thanks in large part to bass player Michael Anthony played a crucial part on the overall sound and appeal of the band. The vastly different musical tastes and styles between Roth and Eddie, and to a lesser extent Eddie and Sammy Hagar are really what set Van Halen apart and ahead of uncounted rock bands at the end of the 70's and influenced for better or worse, influenced uncounted guitarists and bands through the 80's to the present. Another thing you note, unlike just about any other rock band when Van Halen debuted, they were really "fun" both on record and live.

When Van Halen started out, Dave pretty much steered the ship. Dave picked most of the covers they played as a club band. It was only in the early 80's with Van Halen becoming a world class band and Eddie getting accolades as *THE* guitarist of his generation that Eddie started aggressively taking control of the band, building his home studio so he could create and record on his terms, pushing HIS music (often keyboard based) and publicly butting heads with Roth, eventually culminating in Dave leaving the band.

David Lee Roth is a really polarizing frontman. Most people either love him or hate him, both sides have valid opinions why. I agree that his voice is cringe worthy these days and if anything, he has become even more eccentric and flat out nutty then ever before. But he still brings a certain balance to Eddie and the band by being such a weird fucker that a guy like Sammy Hagar never did simply because Hagar is so bland and one dimensional as a writer and artist despite the fact he's a vastly superior singer to Roth. Once Hagar was in the band, it really became "Eddie's Band" allowing Eddie to indulge in more typical "rawk" music, heavy on the sappy keyboards. Without the creative tension between Eddie and Dave, the music lost it's edge and a lot of the spontaneous humor as well.

Addressing original bass player Michael Anthony, it's really kind of weird how Eddie has really soured on Anthony when the guy is widely regarding as one of the nicest, most down to earth musicians in rock n' roll. I know the history goes way back to the beginning of the 80's when Eddie whined that Mike didn't contribute to the songwriting process (which was true) and even gave serious thought to replacing Mike with Billy Sheehan among a couple other bass shredders during the Roth era. And of course there's the whole deal through the late 80's and 90's when Mike's share (they originally has a 4x25% songwriting and band shares credit split between the band members) was whittled down (with Mike's blessing) to the point he was a salaried musician for the awful '04 Hagar reunion tour after which Eddie really talked trash about Mike, calling him "Hot Sauce Sobolewski (his real last name)" because Mike was shilling his brand of hot sauce in '04. I even get that Eddie wants to play with his son, keep the whole band "in the family" so to speak. But man, the very public way he viciously turned on Mike, even to the point having his website erase Mike's image from the VH1 cover and replacing it with his son in '07, you'd think Mike screwed Eddie's wife or something.

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#180 Post by SR » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:31 pm

Well, that's all interesting. This is from Hagar (whom I despise as a musician) but have immense respect as a business man. He could buy and sell all of the others combined just from his non music ventures. He thinks Eddie's decisions are both wrong, but have led him into some fairly serious ethical hot water....

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sammy- ... van-halen/

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#181 Post by SR » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:32 pm

Oh, and what I really enjoyed on panama was the knowledge gained from the interview that that "odd" noise in the middle is actually Eddie's '72 Lamborghini. Sounded great

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#182 Post by Artemis » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:49 pm

'Panama' reminds me of high school. I had an art teacher, Ms Chivalo, who loved the album 1984 and often played it while the class worked on their projects. We had a record player in the class but she didn't let any of the kids touch it. :lol:

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#183 Post by SR » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:24 pm

I actually hate the song, but that part is really cool to me now. I was a senior in '84 and I was a complete music snob.....nothing but punk, some new wave, The Who, Zep, The Kinks, etc.

VH wasn't a party I wanted to go to. Such an idiot. :lol:

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#184 Post by Matz » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:37 pm

Artemis wrote:'Panama' reminds me of high school. I had an art teacher, Ms Chivalo, who loved the album 1984 and often played it while the class worked on their projects. We had a record player in the class but she didn't let any of the kids touch it. :lol:
I hope this post goes viral and teachers everywhere pick up on this. Sounds like the way to go. Never heard of anything like that before :lol:

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Re: Van Halen

#185 Post by SR » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:57 am

Havin a blast with this GH's album. :wiggle:

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#186 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:45 am

SR wrote:Havin a blast with this GH's album. :wiggle:
I assume it's the double CD that has alternating Roth and Hagar tracks in the red/white/black stripped case?

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#187 Post by SR » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:56 am

Best of Van Halen, Vol. 1 1996

Black cover with a VH in the middle....17 songs

Eruption
Aint talkin bout Love
Runnin
Dance the night away
Cradle
Unchained
Jump
Panama
Why cant this be love
Dreams'
When its love
Poundcake
Righjt Now
Cant stop lovin you'
Human Beings
Cant get this stuff no more
Me wise magic

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#188 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:03 pm

SR wrote:Best of Van Halen, Vol. 1 1996

Black cover with a VH in the middle....17 songs

Eruption
Aint talkin bout Love
Runnin
Dance the night away
Cradle
Unchained
Jump
Panama
Why cant this be love
Dreams'
When its love
Poundcake
Righjt Now
Cant stop lovin you'
Human Beings
Cant get this stuff no more
Me wise magic
Although woefully incomplete and barely a primer especially for the Roth era, this one has the last song they did with Hagar ("Humans Being," a non-lp track) which is one of the best things they did with him and (then) new couple of decent 1996 tunes with Dave (the last 2 songs on the disc). Thanks to Eddie's-then wife Valerie Bertinelli being on the VH mailing list and regularly posting updates, fans on the list had a nearly daily blow-by-blow accounting from her of how Eddie and Dave briefly reconnected after Hagar was out of the band, recorded the two tunes over a couple week period, lined up that MTV awards show appearance that got everyone fired up for a reunion which utterly disintegrated backstage during the show leading to a late night post from Val - "it's over."

You really need to get the classic Roth era albums - they're dirt cheap new at most stores (about $5 per) and I would recommend starting with the first self titled debut and "Fair Warning."

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Re: Van Halen

#189 Post by SR » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:04 am

Interesting stuff. I've always been interested in the idiosyncrasies of bands and their interpersonal relationships. Never thought separating contextual information was wise either, and learning about the artists has always increased my fascination with them too....for better or worse.

Ill look into the Roth era.

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Re: Van Halen

#190 Post by Artemis » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:56 am

DLR's father was featured on The Lives of the Rich and Famous.


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#191 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:45 am

Artemis wrote:DLR's father was featured on The Lives of the Rich and Famous.
Roth and his father played a crucial part in getting the band off the ground. While they all lived in Pasadena and went to the same high school, Roth's dad was indeed quite rich and they lived in that huge house while Eddie and Alex's family lived in a pretty modest home only a few miles apart. Eddie and Alex brought in Roth for Dave's ability to tap into the Roth money for instruments, amps, a PA and a van as much as any frontman/vox talents Roth possessed. To get an idea of the social disparity between Dave and the Van Halen's households, here's a couple photos of the VH's home including the back alley garage where they practiced.

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Compared with Dave's family mansion:

http://www.rockandrollgps.com/david-lee-roths-mansion/

Here's a pretty interesting article of the VH brother's Pasadena home:

http://www.heraldextra.com/blogs/editin ... 7a535.html

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#192 Post by Artemis » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:55 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Here's a pretty interesting article of the VH brother's Pasadena home:

http://www.heraldextra.com/blogs/editin ... 7a535.html

That was a good read.
We explained how we thought that with the Forum show being that night, and the band having been on the road for months, that there would have been a good chance that his sons would have been home visiting that afternoon.

"You would think!" he said, letting out a big laugh and shaking his head with exaggerated sarcasm as he went on a playful mini-rant. "The boys never come by here anymore!"

I think that part of the conversation has stayed with me because it proved so painfully poignant. Here was a man who was a professional musician himself, on the cusp of seeing his two sons validated in grand fashion with a sold-out show at the Forum, yet it was obvious that he also missed having them around. His sarcastic overplaying of the comment showed his humor and acceptance of the circumstances, but couldn't completely mask the truthfulness of it either.
Pretty shitty about all the gold records being ripped off.

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#193 Post by SR » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:39 pm

https://medium.com/cuepoint/the-private ... c6fa2cda7b

Here's an article josh freese posted on fb and recommended to among others, Dave Navarro. It also explains how the chained photo of dlr came to be.

Dlr is an idiot.

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#194 Post by Artemis » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:57 pm

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/v ... ican-tour/
Rock and Roll Hall of Famers Van Halen have announced dates for their first North American tour in three years. Featuring original lead singer David Lee Roth, the summer/fall trek will start and end on the West Coast, moving across the US (with two Canadian shows) over 39 dates.

The last time the band toured America, they canceled some 30 dates without a clear explanation. Roth later posted a video claiming the band had bitten “off more than [they] could chew.” Not long after, they were forced to cancel a tour of Japan when Eddie Van Halen underwent surgery for Diverticulitis, an inflammation in the digestive track. Roth had said prior to the Japanese cancelations that he had been trying to get the band to do more international touring. “But so far there hasn’t been any response,” he said, “so hope and faith are not actual tactics and strategies – they’re strippers from Albuquerque.”

Now, it looks like Roth, Eddie Van Halen, Alex Van Halen, and 24-year-old bassist Wolfgang Van Halen have settled any squabbles and united for this latest tour. In addition, the band has announced a two-night stint on Jimmy Kimmel Live for what will be their first televised performance in the US with Roth as singer. Hollywood Boulevard will shut down the evening of March 30th for the performance, which will air that night as well as the following one.

The rare TV appearance comes in support of the band’s new live album Tokyo Dome Live in Concert, their first such release recorded with Roth. The 23-song concert was recorded on June 21st, 2013, and will be released on double-CD, quadruple-LP, and digitally on March 31st. Pre-orders are going on here, and come with instant downloads of “Panama”, “Runnin’ With the Devil”, “Jump”, and “Hot for Teacher”.

Van Halen 2015 Tour Dates:

07/05 – Seattle, WA @ White River Amphitheatre
07/07 – Portland, OR @ Amphitheater Northwest
07/09 – Concord, CA @ Concord Pavilion
07/11 – San Bernardino, CA @ San Manuel Amphitheater
07/14 – Irvine, CA @ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
07/16 – Mountain View, CA @ Shoreline Amphitheatre
07/18 – Salt Lake City, UT @ USANA Amphitheatre
07/20 – Morrison, CO @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre
07/22 – Kansas City, MO @ Cricket Wireless Amphitheater
07/24 – Chicago, IL @ First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre
07/26 – St. Louis, MO @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre
07/28 – Pittsburgh, PA @ First Niagara Pavilion
07/30 – Bangor, ME @ Darling’s Waterfront Pavilion
08/01 – Boston, MA @ Xfinity Center
08/03 – Cleveland, OH @ Blossom Music Center
08/05 – London, ON @ Western Fair District
08/07 – Toronto, ON @ Molson Canadian Amphitheatre
08/09 – Holmdel, NJ @ PNC Bank Arts Center
08/11 – Hartford, CT @ Xfinity Center
08/13 – Wantagh, NY @ Nikon At Jones Beach Theater
08/23 – Hershey, PA @ Hershey Park
08/25 – Darien Center, NY @ Darien Lake Performing Arts Center
08/27 – Camden, NJ @ Susquehanna Bank Center
08/29 – Washington, DC @ Jiffy Lube Live
08/31 – Cincinnati, OH @ Riverbend Music Center
09/02 – Indianapolis, IN @ Klipsch Music Center
09/04 – Detroit, MI @ DTE Energy Music Theatre
09/06 – Bethel, NY @ Bethel Woods Center for the Arts
09/09 – Raleigh, NC @ Walnut Creek Amphitheater
09/11 – Charlotte, NC @ PNC Music Pavilion
09/13 – Tampa, FL @ MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre
09/15 – West Palm Beach, FL @ Coral Sky Amphitheatre
09/17 – Birmingham, AL @ Oak Mountain Amphitheatre
09/21 – Austin, TX @ Austin360 Amphitheater
09/23 – Dallas, TX @ Gexa Energy Pavilion
09/25 – Houston, TX @ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
09/28 – Phoenix, AZ @ Ak-Chin Pavilion
09/30 – San Diego, CA @ Sleep Train Amphitheatre
10/02 – Los Angeles, CA @ Hollywood Bowl

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Re: Van Halen

#195 Post by creep » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:00 pm

any bets on if they make it through this tour?

i thought they were still an arena band. maybe not since they are only playing amphitheaters.

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#196 Post by Pandemonium » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:36 pm

creep wrote:any bets on if they make it through this tour?

i thought they were still an arena band. maybe not since they are only playing amphitheaters.
I'm glad they booked a date at Irvine which is an easy 20 minute drive if I decide to go. No way was I going to the shitty Devore San Manuel Amphitheater and the end-of-tour Hollywood Bowl show didn't seem much more appealing to me. This is clearly going to be another greatest hits re-run of the past two tours so I'm not too motivated to see them again unless they slot in a good number of deeper cuts. The fact that they are playing with mostly two and even one days off between shows and that this is an outdoor shed tour is going to really destroy Roth's voice if he's singing as iffy as he was the last tour. The Kimmel show performance will be... interesting.

The live album coming out next week is going to get a lot of criticism for how bad Dave sounds on some songs.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkaqpNsZKwE[/youtube]

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#197 Post by blackcoffee » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:29 pm

Panda, What did you think of their live performance on Jimmy Kimmel? While I'm not a huge fan of the band, it's great to see Eddie continue to maintain his health.

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#198 Post by creep » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:51 pm

i thought dlr sounded ok but was odd as usual with some weird michael jackson tape or bandaid on his nose. eddie is looking as healthy as i have seen him in a long time and wolfgang looks to be eating a lot of fast food.

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#199 Post by Pandemonium » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:01 pm

I was watching the live feed and at the beginning of the first song Panama, Dave was twirling a mic stand or baton and clipped and cut his nose and started bleeding profusely. They had to stop the song for a couple minutes while Roth was bandaged and then they restarted the song from the beginning. You can see it happen at about the 18 second mark here:


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As far as the overall performance, it's really amazing how well Eddie has pulled himself together and regained much of his former playing skills since he hit rock bottom about 10 years ago. I thought the band sounded really solid although Dave's current style of occasionally going way above his range is often painful to hear. I really wish Eddie's son would cut the cord (or Eddie would let him do his own thing) as they really need Michael Anthony's (or someone who can sing the harmonies) backing vox and frankly more aggressive bass playing. I did pick up the new live album this weekend and it's a great set but Dave's vox get in the way of enjoying a good number of tunes. I'm on the fence about seeing them again this Summer because it's most likely going to be a retread of the last tour and there are so many bands that I normally see touring this year I gotta pick my battles.

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Re: Van Halen

#200 Post by Artemis » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:07 pm

I'm thinking about lawn tickets but the service charge is RIDUCULOUS!!

The ticket price is $46.75 and service $17.05!! :mad:

The fees are higher than usual. :no:

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